Porn with post-op transwomen for SRS results curiosity

[Ophir Androgynous]

regardless of whats your opinion about porn, i think its a very good way to witness how the neovagina functions sexually.
porn with post-op transwomen seems to be very rare, so if you can share pictures and movies you know of i would be very thankfull.

the thing is, i chatted with some men who claimed they had sex with post-ops [i dont see why they would lie about it]. i've heard from them about un-natural size, shape and color of the clitoris, awkward looking labias and vulva, and a vagina that may have been tight and pleasurable but the "pressure" felt different for them.

PS: i personally dont seek to have a vagina that looks exactly like the natural ones, but i still want to know its possible to achieve. for example, i dont think i want to have a clitoris at all, and i dont want the labias to cover the vaginal opening too much.

[FFChristie]

I know there's more, but the one that's popping into my head right now is Danielle Foxxx.

[BecomingSusan]

Sex with a trans woman can be very nice. I hesitate to be very specific, because I don't have permission from my former partner to talk about it. It certainly was good enough for the purpose of maintaining a relationship. In some ways, it's better. I had no complaints.

[Madison_Dawn]

Hell yeah better no kids can happen. Can't wait ill have automatic contraception

[Ophir Androgynous]

BecomingSusan wrote:
> Sex with a trans woman can be very nice. I hesitate to be very specific, because
> I don't have permission from my former partner to talk about it. It certainly was
> good enough for the purpose of maintaining a relationship. In some ways, it's better.
> I had no complaints.

Susan, i read that u just recently had SRS. first of all congratulations! secondly, do u mean that u had a post-op trans partner? coz if u never had sex as post-op yet, i dont understand what did u mean by ur reply.

[AlisonRain2]

your third post here? you really get right to it don't you?
you want pics or movies of us post-ops doing it? but it's for 'srs results curiosity', eh? that's a new one.

[Ophir Androgynous]

your third post here? you really get right to it don't you?
you want pics or movies of us post-ops doing it? but it's for 'srs results curiosity', eh? that's a new one.

i didnt ask to see pics or movies of YOU post-ops doing it! LOL!

I know there's more, but the one that's popping into my head right now is Danielle Foxxx.

thank you, FFChristie.
i checked her out and most of her movies are from her pre-op period. can u give me more names?

[nexyjo]

my husband has no complaints.

[BecomingSusan]

BecomingSusan wrote:
> Sex with a trans woman can be very nice. I hesitate to be very specific, because
> I don't have permission from my former partner to talk about it. It certainly was
> good enough for the purpose of maintaining a relationship. In some ways, it's better.
> I had no complaints.

Susan, i read that u just recently had SRS. first of all congratulations! secondly, do u mean that u had a post-op trans partner? coz if u never had sex as post-op yet, i dont understand what did u mean by ur reply.

I had a post-op trans woman partner while I still had a penis.

[Shiraz]

BecomingSusan wrote:
> Sex with a trans woman can be very nice. I hesitate to be very specific, because
> I don't have permission from my former partner to talk about it. It certainly was
> good enough for the purpose of maintaining a relationship. In some ways, it's better.
> I had no complaints.

Susan, i read that u just recently had SRS. first of all congratulations! secondly, do u mean that u had a post-op trans partner? coz if u never had sex as post-op yet, i dont understand what did u mean by ur reply.

I had a post-op trans woman partner while I still had a penis.

Susan, I talked to a man who had sex with a post-op transwoman, he didn't have a good experience, her vagina wasn't in the right place, I think he said it was higher up than normal. That said, I don't know that girl and god knows where she went to have her surgery. We keep talking about top surgeons on this site but there are girls, ethnic girls for the most part who have SRS on the cheap in Mexico and Thailand by local butchers.

[Shiraz]

i dont think i want to have a clitoris at all, and i dont want the labias to cover the vaginal opening too much.

If you don't have a clitoris, how do expect to have orgasmic pleasure with a man, I don't understand,,

[Ophir Androgynous]

Susan, I talked to a man who had sex with a post-op transwoman, he didn't have a good experience, her vagina wasn't in the right place, I think he said it was higher up than normal. That said, I don't know that girl and god knows where she went to have her surgery. We keep talking about top surgeons on this site but there are girls, ethnic girls for the most part who have SRS on the cheap in Mexico and Thailand by local butchers.

of course it depends a lot on the surgeon and surgery each transwoman had, and thats what i said to one of those men i chatted with, but he told me that he had sex with many post-ops and even had one as his girlfriend, and he said there are some general things that neovaginas have in common.
one thing that i allready knew of is that clitoris issue. not that its a high priority for me, as i said i dont see clitoris as something desireable, personally i even think its kind of disgusting, no offence. i think having orgasm through penetration is much more fun.

i dont think i want to have a clitoris at all, and i dont want the labias to cover the vaginal opening too much.

If you don't have a clitoris, how do expect to have orgasmic pleasure with a man, I don't understand,,

the glans penis can be located inside the vagina, close to the opening i guess, so the sexual pleasure comes through the penetration rather than with outside clitoral stimulation. i even read somewhere that most surgeons prefer to do that than to fashion a clitoris coz the outcome tends to be problematic.
here from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoroplasty:

As part of reassignment surgery for trans women, there are several ways to create a clitoris out of existing tissues. The most common method in practice, is to separate the glans of the penis from the paired erectile tissues, and reduce in size to simulate a cissexual woman's clitoris.

The success rate for the creation of a clitoris for trans women varies greatly. The most common cause of failure is the necrosis of the tissue from lack of blood supply. The greatest non health risk is damage to the pudendal nerves, if they are severed, the chance at clitoral orgasm is greatly reduced.

Most transsexual women's bodies readily accept the relocation of glans penile tissue in the area of a cissexual woman's clitoris. The glans tissue derived clitoris (using simple dissection techniques), is not a perfect emulation of the clitoris of a cissexual woman because of the difference in color, shape, and sexual response. Dr Suporn uses a modified technique that preserves some erectile tissue to simulate sexual response and uses foreskin to cover the glans tissue (for aesthetic reasons).

An alternate technique, involved the use of urethral spongiform as a makeshift clitoral mound. This allowed for better simulation of female sexual response at the cost of the clitoris being not as sensate as one derived from the glans penis. Urine leakage was a notable complication with this technique.

Older genital reassignment techniques made no attempt at the creation of a clitoris at all. The glans of the penis was sutured in the most distal (inner) part of the neovagina to simulate a cervix. The late Stanley Biber preferred this method.

[Shiraz]

Susan, I talked to a man who had sex with a post-op transwoman, he didn't have a good experience, her vagina wasn't in the right place, I think he said it was higher up than normal. That said, I don't know that girl and god knows where she went to have her surgery. We keep talking about top surgeons on this site but there are girls, ethnic girls for the most part who have SRS on the cheap in Mexico and Thailand by local butchers.

of course it depends a lot on the surgeon and surgery each transwoman had, and thats what i said to one of those men i chatted with, but he told me that he had sex with many post-ops and even had one as his girlfriend, and he said there are some general things that neovaginas have in common.
one thing that i allready knew of is that clitoris issue. not that its a high priority for me, as i said i dont see clitoris as something desireable, personally i even think its kind of disgusting, no offence. i think having orgasm through penetration is much more fun.

i dont think i want to have a clitoris at all, and i dont want the labias to cover the vaginal opening too much.

If you don't have a clitoris, how do expect to have orgasmic pleasure with a man, I don't understand,,

the glans penis can be located inside the vagina, close to the opening i guess, so the sexual pleasure comes through the penetration rather than with outside clitoral stimulation. i even read somewhere that most surgeons prefer to do that than to fashion a clitoris coz the outcome tends to be problematic.

That's interesting.
I was born in Europe so I'm not circumcized which is a plus for me in terms of sensitivity and this is maybe why it makes more sense for me to go to Suporn in Thailand who must have more experience with non-circumcized girls than an american surgeon might have.

[BecomingSusan]

My new clitoris was created from the glans of my penis. It will be some time before I will be able to tell if that's good or not. I did get good reports from other Bowers women, though. Right now, it still feels like my penis has been cut to pieces. Just about every post-op I know says it takes some time to get used to the new arrangement.

The neovagina as created by both Bowers and Suporn is lower than a cis vagina. As a male having sex with a Suporn woman, it seemed a bit odd at first, but it was easy to get used to. For some sex positions, that can be a good thing. For other positions, maybe not so good. I can see that my new vagina is in about the same position as the Suporn vaginas I'm familiar with.

[elliebean]

I know there's more, but the one that's popping into my head right now is Danielle Foxxx.

thank you, FFChristie.
i checked her out and most of her movies are from her pre-op period.

And some aren't. How many could it take? o_O

[Ophir Androgynous]

Just about every post-op I know says it takes some time to get used to the new arrangement.

of course!

The neovagina as created by both Bowers and Suporn is lower than a cis vagina.

whats the reason for that? they need to be careful the neovagina wont be too close to the rectum, so how lower than a cis vagina can it be?

[Jaceska_Teag]

Take into account the, even minute, differences between a male pelvis area and a female, male's are pretty different so I would imagine they are working with bones being in the way (even if by mm) as well as other organs.

[corvus.corax]

Uncle Creepy is creepy.

[Ophir Androgynous]

Take into account the, even minute, differences between a male pelvis area and a female, male's are pretty different so I would imagine they are working with bones being in the way (even if by mm) as well as other organs.

sure, but older techniques resulted in the vagina being too high, so i dont know.
cis vaginas vary also in their position, there are lower and higher vaginas, so i dont think theres a strict rule besides the vaginal opening being located right where the buttocks end on one side and where the scrotum ends on the other side.

[elliebean]

Here you go: See if you can spot the Neovag.
#equallydubiousmotives

There may not even be one among them. I don't know. nor do I care.

[Auphiel]

Here you go: See if you can spot the Neovag.
#equallydubiousmotives

There may not even be one among them. I don't know. nor do I care.

The same point was rattling around in my head but I could not find the appropriate words.

Thank you art! and thank you elliebean.

[Ophir Androgynous]

to AlisonRain2, elliebean, corvus.corax and Auphiel:

regardless of whats your opinion about porn, i think its a very good way to witness how the neovagina functions sexually.
porn with post-op transwomen seems to be very rare, so if you can share pictures and movies you know of i would be very thankfull.

i think i was very clear and polite.
maybe youre queerophobic who cant understand why would anyone whos not a transwoman be interested in MTF SRS results?
you wont be the first ones i met.

[corvus.corax]

maybe youre queerophobic...

Queers? HERE??

eeeewww...

[AlisonRain2]

what, you can't be creepy AND courteous at the same time?

for someone who only wants half the package, you sure are agonizing over exhaustive yet inconsequential details with a fervor that borders on,
well,
well,
creepy.
most surgeons are going to give you what they're going to give you. you don't get to pick the pink clam and red snapper but leave the slimy eel like it's an a la carte sushi lunch special. most of the time, you're the limiting factor, not the surgeon's skill set.

[Ophir Androgynous]

whats creepy about wanting what you want and dream about?

most surgeons are going to give you what they're going to give you. you don't get to pick the pink clam and red snapper but leave the slimy eel like it's an a la carte sushi lunch special. most of the time, you're the limiting factor, not the surgeon's skill set.

a once in a life time major and very expensive life changing surgery? oh yes, i think i get to pick.
sure, i cant expect a surgeon to do something he never learned how to do, but i believe and hope there are plenty of surgeons and techniques. not everyone want the same package.

[Celia]

I think the problem is that you're asking for porn. I'm sure it wouldn't have been taken like this if you had asked for photos or video diaries. Porn seems like.. Well it's porn. Not exactly tasteful or classy.

[AlisonRain2]

or even demonstrative from the clinical standpoint you ostensibly approached it by.

[Ophir Androgynous]

I think the problem is that you're asking for porn. I'm sure it wouldn't have been taken like this if you had asked for photos or video diaries. Porn seems like.. Well it's porn. Not exactly tasteful or classy.

porn is preety nasty most of the time, i agree. but how would you call a movie that shows a post-op transwoman having sex using the neovagina? dont u agree watching such thing can be highly informative about the results of the SRS?
it has its problems, of course, like shiraz said, most of those porn actresses are "ethnic" girls from asia and south america, and god knows where and how they got their SRS done.
but still.

[Celia]

A video diary from two people who have a sexual relationship I suppose. The lady who had the surgery and her partner (obviously).

I'm not sure porn is a great way to find out something from a factual standpoint by the way, you know how fake, staged, and downright ridiculous some things are in that industry, though this is coming from someone who has never liked or enjoyed porn.

By the way, there are a lot of extremely good surgeons in both the far East in Asia and the Middle East. Thailand and Iran have done some really well received work. They may not be Westerners, but they know what they're doing.

[Ophir Androgynous]

i know, but i meant those porn actresses arent exactly high class ladies, you know. plus i do think that there are more "butchers" in that part of the world than in the west.

so whats a video diary? i never heard that term. and where can i watch it online?

[elliebean]

to AlisonRain2, elliebean, corvus.corax and Auphiel:

regardless of whats your opinion about porn, i think its a very good way to witness how the neovagina functions sexually.
porn with post-op transwomen seems to be very rare, so if you can share pictures and movies you know of i would be very thankfull.

i think i was very clear and polite.
maybe youre queerophobic who cant understand why would anyone whos not a transwoman be interested in MTF SRS results?
you wont be the first ones i met.

Yeah, it must be that.

The fact that you don't know why you're creepy makes you even more creepy.

[Celia]

Video diary, video log, online blog, the terms are endless.

Ellie, you are being a bit harsh hun. She mightn't have worded it appropriately, but I sincerely doubt there is any malicious intent.

porn actresses arent exactly high class ladies

I think there is a world of difference between real life and film.

[elliebean]

Ellie, you are being a bit harsh hun. She mightn't have worded it appropriately, but I sincerely doubt there is any malicious intent.

Neither the wording, nor any perceived intent have anything to do with it. The question of my harshness is between me and the board moderators.

[Auphiel]

I was merely saying that all women are different, and I thought that work of art expressed it well. I guess that makes me a queerophobe or whatever now. Wow. You are a creep.

[Dorothy Stepford]

those porn actresses arent exactly high class ladies

Oh, fuck right off.

[corvus.corax]

those porn actresses arent exactly high class ladies

Oh, fuck right off.

Seriously.

[nexyjo]

yeah, i'm pretty close to shutting this thread down. first, the whole idea of being able to learn about sex with post op trans women from porn is pretty icky. and then the whole derogatory thing toward sex workers is another slice of icky.

the only high points were bea's and ellie's comments.

meh.

[FFChristie]

maybe youre queerophobic...

Queers? HERE??

eeeewww...

Get 'em up against the wall!

[elliebean]

maybe youre queerophobic...

Queers? HERE??

eeeewww...

Get 'em up against the wall!

[Ophir Androgynous]

youre not being nice at all.
first, a movie of ppl having intercourse is defined as pornographic content, or porn for short. why is this word scare you so much?
second, yes, i think watching such thing of the neovagina "in action" can tell a lot about the results of vaginoplasty. the fact that u dont see how it can be helpful for pre-op person - thats what weird to me, and kind of showing conservative thinking.

besides, calling creep to someone u dont know - thats creepy.

[elliebean]

oh ffs

youre not being nice at all.

I'm never nice. A lot of people think I'm nice and quite a few think I'm malevolent or condescending, all of which are reflections of those people, not me; I'm always the same. I'm honest.

Though occasionally I do become exasperated or indignant, and end up giving someone a verbal smack upside the head, this has not been one of those occasions. Yet.

I haven't said you're a bad person, or that anything your asking is, on the surface, wrong, or even said that I don't like you. For all I know you might be a great person to hang out with etc etc, but for this single faux pas, for which I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're being truthful, and are just so socially inept you're incapable of picking up all the hints we've given about how your approach needs to change, if nothing else. That could be. But the fact is we don't know you and that's why your behavior bothers us.

first, a movie of ppl having intercourse is defined as pornographic content, or porn for short. why is this word scare you so much?

What makes you think it does? Think about that. I'm not reading the whole thread again, but to my memory, no one has said anything innately negative to porn except you. Pornography happens to be one of my interests and I know several people, including members of this forum, who are involved in one way or another in the production or performance of adult entertainment.

second, yes, i think watching such thing of the neovagina "in action" can tell a lot about the results of vaginoplasty.

Having watched a voluminous quantity of such material myself, I can tell you everything there is to be learned using your proposed method of... research:

nothing substantially different from any other PIV videos.

the fact that u dont see how it can be helpful for pre-op person - thats what weird to me, and kind of showing conservative thinking.

The fact that you make an assumption about people you don't know and, failing to demonstrate any logical progression, use it to justify an even more preposterous assumption is weird to me, and rather more than indicative of irrational thinking.

besides, calling creep to someone u dont know - thats creepy.

Oh you kill me with your irony.

Our not knowing you is the chief ingredient to the creepiness of your query. It isn't an aversion to anything you've asked about that is a problem; it's the self-entitled presumption to approach a group of trans people who are all complete strangers to you, and without any introduction or telling us anything about yourself, request 1.) our collaboration in what has all the hallmarks of a thin cover of what reeks of some exploitative fetishization of other trans women, and 2.) for us to do all the work in finding it for you, and giving you names. Did it occur to you that some of them might be friends of ours? or our partners? or that it's entirely possible some might be present here? If you were walking down the street and a stranger drove up to you in a van and asked you if you had any naked pictures of your friends to borrow for "research", how would you react? How is this not the very fucking definition of creepy?

And the fact that, so far, you've shown no interest in knowing why people feel uncomfortable with you or what you're proposing, screams creep way louder than any of us is likely to bother.

[Ophir Androgynous]

ok, so i'm a creep. who am i to argue?

1. whats PIV?
2. of course i introduced myself: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10999

[Microodyke]

How does one get pictures of the 'neovagina' in action? Has someone gone and invented a penis-cam? Wouldn't having a camera strapped on the head of one's penis hurt?....and being on the receiving end of a pounding camera cannot be comfortable either! Perhaps you need a basic biology book, not a porn flick....the vagina is an INTERNAL structure...you'd need a speculum (or periscope?) to view it.

[Celia]

Periscope.

That gives a whole new dimension to 'up periscope'.

Has someone gone and invented a penis-cam?

I've put too much thought into this. A dilator with a transparent end, and a fiber-optic swivel camera in the tip? I have too much time on my hands.

[Ophir Androgynous]

How does one get pictures of the 'neovagina' in action? Has someone gone and invented a penis-cam? Wouldn't having a camera strapped on the head of one's penis hurt?....and being on the receiving end of a pounding camera cannot be comfortable either! Perhaps you need a basic biology book, not a porn flick....the vagina is an INTERNAL structure...you'd need a speculum (or periscope?) to view it.

oh dear....

[BecomingSusan]

PIV = Penis In Vagina

[FFChristie]

Periscope.

That gives a whole new dimension to 'up periscope'.

Has someone gone and invented a penis-cam?

I've put too much thought into this. A dilator with a transparent end, and a fiber-optic swivel camera in the tip? I have too much time on my hands.

Coming soon to SkyMall.

[Celia]

PIV = Penis In Vagina

Not to be confused with VIP.

[elliebean]

ok, so i'm a creep. who am i to argue?

1. whats PIV?
2. of course i introduced myself: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10999

2. Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot to check that. Still leaves us little to go on, however.
1. I'd tell you, but it's so much more fun to make shit up:

PIV = point it vertically
pass into view
probably in violation
pizza is vegetable
possible it's vegan
pretty, if vapid
pickled in vodka
planetary interaction video
place in Venice
party in Vancouver
personal injury valuation
past is valuable
penny in vinegar
Penelope in Vermont
protection in Venezuela
Pinocchio part 4: Woodeneye
piss in vases
Puss in Versace
paint it violet
pistachio icecream vendor
patience is virtue
(it's penis in vagina)


Edit: goddammit you people are too accomodating!

[Artemis_Vega]

It is totally possible to see inside the vagina during intercourse. I remember seeing a medical documentary thing ages ago, where a couple had a bunch of cameras attached, inside and out. It's not like they're massive sized cameras from the 50's

Just look up Vagina Cam, I'm sure that'll come up with some results.