they are definitely bringing forth my feelings of feminity
corvus corax wrote:ooooh, yummy. i have a new chew toy.
you'll find only a few "girls" here, samantha. most of us are adults, and several of us are transmen.
you've got the rules of evidence backwards, by the way. if you're going to insist that a product is effective, the burden is on you to supply sound justification. and i see no "studies" from you in that line... just aggressive assertion, supporting what is apparently a strongly held personal investment on your part. in the face of which, i place more confidence in the writings of people who actually have examined this question in some depth and discussed it here over the years, and in the anecdotal evidence of the many people who have tried the herbals and, once they got past that initial euphoria of at least feeling like they were doing something, discovered that there were more effective solutions.
but hey. whatever works for you. get that femme on, yo.
tranny tranny tranny.
"tranny" is slang, and it usually comes out of the mouths of guys.
Evanesce and Feminol have been around for some time,
lisagurl wrote:Evanesce and Feminol have been around for some time,
That is why no one has used them for transition and been successful, they simply do not work. I am completely transitioned. over the period of 4 years. I have been to doctors in TN, CA and Thailand. I have met over 100 TS in person and not one has transitioned using herbals. All medical evidence of the professional nature share the fact that herbals are a placebo.
I don't appreciate you accusing me of "gender-baiting". I have NEVER been one to do that.
What do you call that?"tranny" is slang, and it usually comes out of the mouths of guys.
Pooh, Pooh, they don't provide any estrogen, period, the molecule that they provide is chemically close to estrogen, that's why it can bind to the receptor site, but........Xeno estrogens,(what they're called) plant estrogens in particular about 1/1000 as strong as normal estradiol.My understanding was that herbals don't offer as high the levels of estrogen, but they are also safer than the prescription-based stuff.
regalgoddess wrote:Here's the link everyone is talking about
Drug hormones, such as Premarin manufactured from horse urine (PREgnant MARe uRINe), must go through the liver to get their estrogens to release. And, the excess estrogen released (estrogen beyond what the body can use at the time) must be processed through the liver again, and the kidneys, in order to be eliminated from the body. These organs were not "designed" to process that much estrogen, which is why frequent kidney and liver function testing is required for those on prescription hormones. Injectable prescription hormones must also be processed out, if their levels are in excess of what the body can use.
Using herbs to create additional estrogen, on the other hand, lets the body create what it can use utilizing normal bodily biological conversions.
Im not mentioning in regards to here, but I dislike when people throw around the term all natural. Everything in the universe is all natural!And Samantha, if you are taking the herbal route because you believe it to be "all nautral" remember that cyanide is all natural too!
mischelle wrote:Um yes I am new on this board, and I have only been on HRT for 6 months. I am not sure if discussing actual doses is frowned upon here so I wont say what I take or how much. Just let me say it is legal, it is prescribed, it is powerful and it works. I would never trust herbals.
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samantha wrote:I take it you have nothing valuable to contribute?
Microodyke wrote:Samantha, there appear to be no studies on the efficacy or safety of these herbal preparations. Wouldn't you think that the marketers of this product would submit it for scientific-peer review- double blind testing if they believed it to actually work? I'm troubled by the fact that there is no detailing of the herbs in the product, source of said herbs, consistency of said herbs from batch to batch, etc. While the site mentions herbs for menopausal women, it does not discuss the actual studies that proved that black cohosh for menopause is no more effective than placebo, (and much less effective than prescribed hormonal preparations for symptoms of menopause) With no regulation in the United States of herbal products, it is definately a case of "you pay your money, you take your chances." Please though, mention the herbal preparations you are taking to your doctor and/or pharmacist as some can cause some negative reactions with- or potentiation of- medications you may be taking.
And Samantha, if you are taking the herbal route because you believe it to be "all nautral" remember that cyanide is all natural too!
fleurblack wrote:Hi Samantha.
If I said various friends have had good results with any particular herbal I would get all the usual crap so I won't...just surf the trans websites...but I hope your 'safe hormones' really are.
Are you going to come off all herbal hormones for about three months before having an endo test before starting the hormones - just to see what your natural levels are?
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