That's up in the air, anyone can do anything anytime they want to, it does not mean you won't have ill effects, just like taking steriods of a long period of time, your body won't produce hormones naturally for a while if at all ever again. I believe HRT should only be reserved for people who plan to transition into female. Estrogens and Anti Androgens are meant to do 1 thing which is feminize and stop the actions of male hormones.Also please note that you can stop with the HRT at any given time if you suspect it's going too far (some effects won't reverse tho, so do pay attention).
Sandkat wrote:I would imagine that HRT would help you achieve a more a androgynous look. I'm not sure what your final intentions are, but if you weren't planning on transitioning then I don't know if a doctor would prescribe them.
SentientTgurl2 wrote:That's up in the air, anyone can do anything anytime they want to, it does not mean you won't have ill effects, just like taking steriods of a long period of time, your body won't produce hormones naturally for a while if at all ever again. I believe HRT should only be reserved for people who plan to transition into female. Estrogens and Anti Androgens are meant to do 1 thing which is feminize and stop the actions of male hormones.
they just learn how to not look and dress like crap.
AshleyAshes wrote:HRT isn't for transsexuals; On paper. If you open the PDR and look at what the manufacturer lists for antiandrogens and estrogens, none of them list the drugs for use in transsexual treatment. Any use of HRT for transsexuals is done purely off lable. So any transsexual who tells you that HRT is only for transsexuals is full of it.
It would be interesting to find out what percentage of their sales are to people born transsexual. This willingness to take our money highlights their hypocrisy.
SentientTgurl2 wrote:Estrogens and Anti Androgens are meant to do 1 thing which is feminize and stop the actions of male hormones.
AshleyAshes wrote:"Of course, lot's of drugs have lots of off lable uses.'
A statement which... I'm rather suprised you didn't use in your response.
On second thought, it seems you just had no idea that most drugs are used for countless off label uses...
Actually, Spiro's antiandrogen effect is a side effect. It's meant to treat high blood pressure, flush potasium out of the body, heart conditions, hair loss and other things. Actually, all drugs prescribed to prevent hairloss are antiandrogens and most of those drugs are also used in the treatment of an enlarged prostate or prostate cancer. Most of the estrogens are to treat menopause symptons or birth control applications, not to feminize. (Or in the case of Provera, they use it on dangerious sex offenders). So... Ya might wanna count a bit higher than 'one'.
Due to the possibility of increased adrenal androgens, cyproterone acetate is sometimes combined with the 5-alpha-reductase inhibitor finasteride, and studies of hirsutism treatment show increased efficacy of this combination over cyproterone acetate alone. Some in vitro studies have suggested that cyproterone or cyproterone acetate may have a slight inhibitory effect on 5-alpha-reductase, however no significant reduction in DHT production has been observed in vivo.
honey can also be used to wax chestsAs a medical professional I am quite aware of that fact.
SentientTgurl2 wrote:I believe HRT should only be reserved for people who plan to transition into female. Estrogens and Anti Androgens are meant to do 1 thing which is feminize and stop the actions of male hormones.
SentientTgurl2 wrote:Estrogens and AAs should be used for serious purposes only, that's my opinion, if you don't like it, I don't care, I'm not here to pander to anyone's misguided needs.
Just like there's varying degrees of GID there's varying degrees of several different diseases and conditions all which are not threatening enough for medical intervention.
How am I not showing compassion, I'm not saying that transgender people are not welcome here......What are you talking aboutWow. You know this is a transgender board right? People from all over the transgender spectrum are welcome here.
Why don't you leave it to the doctors to decide whether somebody's condition is "threatening enough for medical intervention" and keep the identity undermining opinions to yourself? The original post was simply asking for advice and opinions about the viability of HRT in achieving a certain effect, this person didn't come here to read your opinions about how they should be barred from treatment that you presumably think you're entitled to just because they don't feel the same way you do.
Try showing a little compassion.
I am using this person's statement as an example which I agree with entirely, but why exactly don't you bitch at this person for bringing up the fact that there's no real standard for androgyny......or even aknowledgement of it by the medical community.HRT is appropriate medical treatment for transsexual people. Can you show me Standards of Care for androgyny? Is androgyny listed as a medical condition anywhere? I rest my case.
I meant to address this earlier, but I was speaking in the context of transition not technicality so don't read into things so literally...pleaseActually, Spiro's antiandrogen effect is a side effect. It's meant to treat high blood pressure, flush potasium out of the body, heart conditions, hair loss and other things.
aliciadarling wrote:Sort of like Quentin Crisp?
SentientTgurl2 wrote:How am I not showing compassion, I'm not saying that transgender people are not welcome here......What are you talking about
mercy wrote:I'm pointing out that not everyone here fits the binary gender system, nor wants to, but still (generally) has the extreme discomfort of gender dysphoria, and that as far as HRT goes, saying stuff like, "HRT should be reserved only for people who intend to transition fully to female" smacks of elitism and a generally uncompassionate / unhelpful attitude
I didn't really take it that way. I saw it more as a stern warning not to open a can of worms by starting something that may be regretted later.
I think some people who identify as androgyn sort of like the idea of dipping their feet into the hormone water. "wouldn't it be nice to have breasts. Oh but not to big, and not too noticeable" and "well I like feeling a little girly but i still want to be able to perform.
I think the warning given here was more along the lines of, "careful what you wish for, because you might get that plus a whole lot more". I did about 5-6 months worth of HRT, and then started freaking out due to complete loss of sexual potency and fears of sterility. I then weaned myself off and recovered a bit, well then in the last month I injected twice, and guess what doesn't work again. I'm not pointing fingers here except at myself. Guilty as charged. I love E and I hate it too. When I went off, I pined for that wonderful feeling in my chest, and when I went back on I pined for that feeling from points south.
More and more I think that what you end up with by dabbling with hormones may be a little girl and a little boy but what gets left out is the best part of both.
I don't see transsexual as being elite in the class of transgender, I would think that being at the less dysphoric end of the transgender scale would make someone more elite because they don't have the compulsive drive to transition and constantly want to be seen as their desired gender. Being transgender vs something on the less dysphoric end is going to be a lot harder when compared to having to jump through hoops like coming out, living a year as your preferred gender just to get surgeries and letters ect. So take your accusations of elitism and blow your nose with them please.e·lit·ism-The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
Now you might keep arguing about whether I'm misinterpreting you, but this is what I saw: Jora asked whether feminizing HRT might help achieve an androgynous appearance and your response was basically "I don't think people like you should be allowed HRT." Now excuse me if I misinterpreted what you said, text is an occasionally ambiguous medium, but if you didn't intend to say that then what helpful advice were you trying to impart exactly?
SentientTgurl2 wrote:How Girl Anon perceived my words was exactly right, it was a warning to not be so frivolous with HRT, and how it might affect you. This is why doctors make transsexuals jump through hoops for HRT
Jora wrote:What I had in mind was primarily a slight reduction of testosterone levels. For full transition these things are probably the same.
As said before, I have no real knowledge about this stuff, but couldn't you have the one thing without the other?
To tell the truth, I also have no real idea what testosterone really does. But as it seems to make women more masculine, does it also make men more masculine? And would a slight lowering of levels make a man less masculine over time?
I know that you can't just take it away completely, but some men are healthy with lower levels than other men, so...
All info that I can find is about how to treat too low levels in old men.
Any thought about that?
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