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I wanna take it real slow. NEED HELP. PLS. :)

Postby venturi_fetish » Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:23 am

hi everyone. I'm new here. and... I kinda need help.

I don't know how I should start this but I really want to take my transition real slow. well, because most of the people I know don't know that I plan to. and I'm still taking things into consideration.

I've met a MtF TG and she advised me to take Micropil tablets for the reason that it has lower doses than most of the hormones out there. Micropil contains Norethisterone .4mg and Ethinyl Estradiol .04mg, and since I wanted it slow, I'm taking one tab per day, every other day. I've been taking it for almost 3 months now and I'm starting to see bits of changes; I think my nipples and areola had quite an increase in size, my lashes also had an increase in length and I'm being a lot more emotional.

seriously, all I want as of now is to have a more feminine look, without the boobs.

I don't want to go to a doctor cause they cost a lot, and my family might know about this.

these are my questions:
-is this (what I'm doing) ok??

-is taking norethisterone and ethinyl estradiol enough to look feminine? (without the boobs)

-should I change the medication I'm using...?? can you recommend something better?

-what are the expected changes that I should have?

thanks a lot! hope I can get some answers, advice or opinions whatsoever. love you all girls. xoxo

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Re: I wanna take it real slow. NEED HELP. PLS. :)

Postby Misty » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:48 am

- Sorry, I'm not really familiar with either of those medications and hormones react with each person differently, so nobody here can say for sure whether the amount is right for you or not.

- Nothing can guarantee, the "without the boobs" part. Your body is going to react how it will.

-Since I'm not familiar with what you're taking, I don't really know what's better than what in that regard.

-Expected changes with hormones (estrogen and anti-androgens) are many. Usually it begins with the pores on your face shrinking giving your face a softer appearance...softer (thinner) skin...breast growth...emotional changes...less body hair...loss of muscle...decrease in sex drive...changes in body shape (fat distribution)...testicle atrophy and eventual sterilization. There's more...I'm not really great with these lists, but this can all be looked up in google. There's also dangers, including but not limited to possible liver damage and blood clots.

Self-medicating is fairly common and can be dangerous if not done responsibly. Some will argue that self-medicating is never "responsible", but I won't go there. I'll trust you that these amounts you're taking are a low dose, but you should definitely go to a doctor and get blood tests taken and taken at least every 6 months while self-medicating. I know, I know..."I can't afford it and my family will be mad if I stay healthy, yadda, yadda...". I feel I'd be remiss in not saying something, as it's very risky to take these medications with no medical oversight. It's kind of russian roulette. I hope nothing goes wrong.
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Re: I wanna take it real slow. NEED HELP. PLS. :)

Postby Tracyohus » Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:23 am

venturi_fetish wrote:seriously, all I want as of now is to have a more feminine look, without the boobs.

I don't want to go to a doctor cause they cost a lot, and my family might know about this.


I do not advocate self medicating but I do have some advise to share with you. A few things you can address safely without working with doctors are your facial hair, scalp hair and your figure.

If you are serious about this you need to start facial hair removal as soon as possible. The sooner you start the better off you will be in the long run. Also, it does not matter when you start, you will still wish you started much sooner than you did. So give that some serious thought.

I do not know the condition of you scalp hair, but if you are like most born males you are probably loosing hair without even knowing it. You can stop that pretty easily, but it does take time to do it. Start using Nizoral A-D shampoo once every three days. This is a non-prescription medicated shampoo available at your local pharmacy (or grocery store pharmacy). The active ingredient in Nozoral A-D is Ketoconazole. Ketoconazole is a mild anti-androgen that can arrest hair loss as well as thicken the hair you have. Many dermatologists who specialize in treating hair loss recommend their patients use Nizoral A-D once every three days as part of the patients hair loss treatment regimen.

Continuing on about scalp hair preservation (can you tell this is an important subject to me?), there are two suppliments you can take that are also helpful. Nature's Bounty offers a Saw Palmetto Complex that can help reduce DHT. DHT is the cause of hair loss, body hair and other masculine features/problems. If you choose to use Saw Palmetto, it is very important that you use it in a complex form - that means it is blended with other suppliments. The complex formula that Nature's Bounty offers is the correct blend for reducing DHT. Nature's Bounty also offers a "Hair,Skin and Nails" multi-vitamin formula that I found to be helpfull. I'm sure there are generic versions available that cost less, but I honestly do not know how good they really are. Here are links to the products from Nature's Bounty so you can read the ingredients to see if you can find something similar in a generic version. You will need adobe acrobat reader to read the labels:

http://www.naturesbounty.com/pages/prod ... 21&HCID=30

http://www.naturesbounty.com/pages/prod ... 24&HCID=33

I also do not know the condition of your body, but if you live in the U.S. and are typical of the majority of the U.S. population, this is something most of us need to work on - including me. Make sure you are getting enough good exercise. Make sure you are drinking enough water (filtered, unflavored water). Make sure your diet is healthy and you are eating reasonable quantities. Finally, make sure you are getting at least seven hours of sleep every night (eight to nine would be even better).

You may notice that much of what I write about in this forum focuses on achieving and maintaining a state of good health - body, mind and spirit. This is because I strongly believe that this is an important part of the healing process - as well as helping us feel better about ourselves... It's worked for me so far.
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Re: I wanna take it real slow. NEED HELP. PLS. :)

Postby tracy » Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:00 pm

if you don't want boobs then you should reconsider taking hormones. HRT is a big deal and WILL create changes in your body that WILL be noticeable to onlookers including the development of breasts which can only be removed with chest surgery. also there is the tiny little problem with chemical castration. HRT is a big deal and if you have any doubts about transition then perhaps now isn't the time to start, expecaly while not under the care of a dr, endo, or uri.

im just saying... this is a very real thing that you are doing to yourself, and it will affect the rest of your life. make sure you are well informed of what it is your doing, and that its the right decision for you.

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Postby Andina » Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:11 am

If you are experimenting it is a dangerous experiment and your goals are unrealistic.

If you have a gender identity problem, then experimenting with small doses will intensify the problem, not relieve it. Even small amounts of hormones will be like "Just one Martini" to an alcoholic.

Get some counseling if possible and make a decision one way or the other.
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Postby Someone Else » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:46 am

Andina wrote:If you are experimenting it is a dangerous experiment and your goals are unrealistic.

If you have a gender identity problem, then experimenting with small doses will intensify the problem, not relieve it. Even small amounts of hormones will be like "Just one Martini" to an alcoholic.

Get some counseling if possible and make a decision one way or the other.

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If you are not prepared for breasts then you are not prepared for hormones. Simple as that. So many times I see posts about, "How do I hide my breasts? They are starting to show." Some people have legitimate work concerns, especially in todays' economic climate. Most however are at that stage where the fantasy becomes reality and they question if what they are doing is the right thing. Well that happens to everyone. How you answer that question determines where you are going. Forward or backward... There are no winners nor losers. There is only what is right for you. A counselor is someone educated in helping you determine what you want/need. Find a GID specialist and be honest.

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Re: I wanna take it real slow. NEED HELP. PLS. :)

Postby Tracyohus » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:50 am

venturi_fetish wrote:
Andina wrote:seriously, all I want as of now is to have a more feminine look, without the boobs.

I don't want to go to a doctor cause they cost a lot, and my family might know about this.

If you are experimenting it is a dangerous experiment and your goals are unrealistic.


This is a very important point.



venturi_fetish wrote:these are my questions:
- is this (what I'm doing) ok??


No
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Postby venturi_fetish » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:08 am

thanks a lot for all the advices. :)

I know what I want, I just want to take it slow so I'll have time to open it up to all the people I know.

by the way, how about birth certificates, professional documents, etc., do I need to have a lawyer to have it changed???
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Postby nexyjo » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:20 am

venturi_fetish wrote:by the way, how about birth certificates, professional documents, etc., do I need to have a lawyer to have it changed???

depends on what part of the world you're living. i was living in new jersey when i transitioned, did not need a lawyer.
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Postby Someone Else » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:28 pm

venturi_fetish wrote:thanks a lot for all the advices. :)

I know what I want, I just want to take it slow so I'll have time to open it up to all the people I know.

by the way, how about birth certificates, professional documents, etc., do I need to have a lawyer to have it changed???

Don't rush things... You want to take it slow right?
You'll have time to figure all this stuff out. Document changes take time. Birth certificates take surgery in most cases. Name changes go through the courts and vary from state to state. Same goes for driver's licenses.
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Postby SarahElizabeth » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:51 pm

I was watching a video blog recently and the MTF transperson was talking about his feelings. He said that he really did have sexual feelings towards men until he began hormones. My question to you who have gone on hormones is have you had this similar experience.
Always, I have felt that a person’s sexual preference was a state of mind and heart.
But is it also a state of hormones?
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Postby nexyjo » Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:37 pm

SarahElizabeth wrote:I was watching a video blog recently and the MTF transperson was talking about his feelings. He said that he really did have sexual feelings towards men until he began hormones. My question to you who have gone on hormones is have you had this similar experience.
Always, I have felt that a person’s sexual preference was a state of mind and heart.
But is it also a state of hormones?

no. i was always into guys.

and that would be "...was talking about her feelings. she said that she...until she began hormones"...
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Postby Misty » Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:24 am

SarahElizabeth wrote:I was watching a video blog recently and the MTF transperson was talking about her feelings. She said that she really didn't have sexual feelings towards men until she began hormones. My question to you who have gone on hormones is have you had this similar experience.
Always, I have felt that a person’s sexual preference was a state of mind and heart.
But is it also a state of hormones?

As a guy, I never really thought about being with a man...not outside of fantasies involving myself being a girl anyway. Oddly enough though, in fantasies I'm always a girl and I never fantasized about lesbian sex, so...go figure, right?

Anyway, I never seriously thought of having sex with a guy in real life before, I've always been into women, but after being on hormones awhile...I've kind of experienced a loosening of my sexual orientation. Who I'm attracted to seems much more fluid now. I know that this doesn't happen with everyone on hormones though. It actually seems the majority have no change. Many are attracted to the same gender they were attracted to before the hormones. It's not like my sexual orientation totally flipped either, if that worries you for some reason. It's not like I suddenly wasn't attracted to my wife and couldn't stop thinking about guys or anything. It's more like, if things didn't work out with my wife (which they didn't)...then, who knows. I still find women attractive, but I'm not put off by the idea of being with a man, whereas before it never was on my mind as a serious consideration. I kind of wonder if I'm still attracted to women in the same way as I used to be though. I notice myself thinking catty things sometimes when there's someone I would've been attracted to before. Before, there was this jealousy of wanting to look like the woman as well as an attraction, now there's more jealousy and less attraction (probably because of the lowered libido). That part is a bit disconcerting, as I don't like having mean-spirited thoughts about people I don't really know.

Quite frankly, I'm very far off from being with anyone, so I haven't really invested too much emotional or intellectual energy into figuring this stuff out yet.
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